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145Chantilly September 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm Here’s Kim Kardashian as a teen with no makeup and absolutely gorgeous

She is a naturally beautiful woman with a very feminine body but Hollywood has ruined her natural beauty and her plastic surgery, gobs of makeup, trashy way of dressing is just unbecoming and trannie looking. However, put her in a sun dress, pony tail and no makeup and I’m willing to be she still looks absolutely naturally gorgeous.

If the majority of men here find the more natural and down to earth looking Natalie Portman to be more attractive than KK, then what does that say about Average Joe’s link that he provided as proof of what men find hot?

I find those women to be non-pretty, masculine, fake and trannie looking.

146Average Joe September 6, 2010 at 5:03 pm Hey Obsidian,

LMAO. You are so hyped up from arguing you don’t even know who you are talking to or what you are talking about anymore. KK is listed as number 9 out of 100 on the “lad” list.

147Average Joe September 6, 2010 at 5:23 pm @Hope I’d say the traits that the ideal beta girlfriend/wife has are: physical attractiveness (in the US basically not overweight girls count as attractive), intelligence (so the children won’t come out retarded), honesty / loyalty / faithfulness / sexual fidelity, good judgment (doesn’t do dumb things like binge drink or smoke), positive attitude (no nagging, loving and affectionate), fiscal responsibility (can save up, not a lot of debt), and willingness to have sex when he wants it.

• How appropos that a “Hope” would write such a comment. What you describe is an ideal wife for even Alpha guys, but this is not even close to what most women bring to the table these days. I gave up on fiscal responsibility requirement a long time ago as it was difficult enough just to find a woman who put effort into meeting her man’s sexual needs. Even the women who aren’t into sexual control don’t seem to understand the big difference between not saying “No” and actual enthusiasm.